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horse that jigs
Jun 30 2009, 1:43 PM EDT
I have a question on how to get a 13 yr old broad mare to do what you want instead of what she wants. I have only been back riding for little over a year now after a bad accident and have worked all Chris's tapes and even went to his BRC clinic. All these things have help me greatly but this horse is putting me to the test every day. My 4yr old does better for me. examples-she continually jigs no matter where I'm at, now that I am back to cantering so is always going to the gates or other horses and stops. I have worked her at the gaits, barn you name it. She is making me work for the little bit of changes I get and it is starting to get on my last nerve. Before I went to Chris's clinic she wouldn't canter and then there she was like a race horse and wouldn't stop. Then I get back home and back to not wanting to again, but we worked through that with a few bucks here and there (that I stayed on through) I just wondering if there is anyone else having these problems. ThanksDo you find this valuable?
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horseahaulic |
1. RE: horse that jigs
Jun 30 2009, 2:58 PM EDT
I never have had the pleasure of taking a lesson from Chris. I know that the horse I used to lease behaved like a gentleman during lessons but when I was alone with him, he tried to make me fall off because he got away with that with his owner who was a woman. I decided to give him ground work and that helped some. The thing that helped the most was letting him know I wouldn't put up with that. I was the only person in the barn that could ride him except the instructor. Then I bought my horse and she was forced to ride her own horse. He ran that woman into every wall he could and when he came to the gate to go out to his stall he parked his feet and wouldn't move. She tug and whipped and he stood his ground and she said "well aren't you going to help me or what"? I said if you want me to sure. I walked up to the horse and said it was ok and to walk on and he went with me right to his stall. Go back to some groundwork and don't ride your horse until he shows you some signs of respect as you progress on the ground. Once you have his respect he won't constantly misbehave. It sounds like you have some fear of him, get to know your horse on the ground in a relaxed setting so you feel calm. When he feels your calmness and your authority he'll respect you and then begin to trust you.
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2. RE: horse that jigs
Jun 30 2009, 5:34 PM EDT
Thanks for your kind words. I have been working with this horse for over a year through smaller issues which were mostly me since I had an accident and fractured my skull, we could not even go down the road but we do that very well now. I work her on the ground all the time and then when I get on I do all of Chris's flexion stuff and disengaging. I know she has my number but I think I've got more confidence now and push her more that shes testing me to she how far she she can go before I give up. I just get so frustrated because at Chris's clinic I was actually able to canter which was my big deal since the fall, and all i want to be able to do is canter a few laps either in round pen or arena, but can't get but a few strides without her jigging to the gate. I do reprimand her by disengaging her hind quarters like Chris does it just does not bother her. I think about htis 24/7 and wonder how people at the show rings dont have this problem. I know broodmare can be a pain but she has done me so good to get me to where I'm at today that I just wish we could get through this. Thanks
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3. RE: horse that jigs
Jun 30 2009, 6:12 PM EDT
"I never have had the pleasure of taking a lesson from Chris. I know that the horse I used to lease behaved like a gentleman during lessons but when I was alone with him, he tried to make me fall off because he got away with that with his owner who was a woman. I decided to give him ground work and that helped some. The thing that helped the most was letting him know I wouldn't put up with that. I was the only person in the barn that could ride him except the instructor. Then I bought my horse and she was forced to ride her own horse. He ran that woman into every wall he could and when he came to the gate to go out to his stall he parked his feet and wouldn't move. She tug and whipped and he stood his ground and she said "well aren't you going to help me or what"? I said if you want me to sure. I walked up to the horse and said it was ok and to walk on and he went with me right to his stall. Go back to some groundwork and don't ride your horse until he shows you some signs of respect as you progress on the ground. Once you have his respect he won't constantly misbehave. It sounds like you have some fear of him, get to know your horse on the ground in a relaxed setting so you feel calm. When he feels your calmness and your authority he'll respect you and then begin to trust you."I agree!! my horse was a handfull at one point. I went to a clinton Anderson clinic came home and started him compleatly over from the ground first. It took a while but it was so worth it. Getting this horse to have good ground manners first payed off big time for him and me both!!! I now have a great well behaving trail buddy. Good ground manners first makes saddle time better. Do you find this valuable? |
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MustangMike |
4. RE: horse that jigs
Jun 30 2009, 7:05 PM EDT
It would appear that your horse lacks respect for you in the saddle. As has been mentioned by others responding, ground work is the best place to establish the respect needed. A couple of points:1. NEVER let your horse graze when you have him on the end of a leadrope or whilst in the saddle; and 2. Never hand feed him treats or use treats as a bribe. Give treats in the feed bucket AFTER he's earned it. Both of these things promote disrespect. Next, pay careful attention to the HindQuarters Disengage on the ground, then establish it, AND the 1-rein stop, in the saddle. Henceforth and forevermore, when your horse acts up, disengage (or 1-rein stop THEN disengage, as appropriate), and, most important of all: MEAN it! Don't be timid or worry about hurting his feelings. A horse WANTS a good leader. Good leaders aren't afraid to read the riot act to those they lead when it's appropriate. They will, from time to time, test your ability to continue as leader. This is normal. Just be consistent and, above all else, FAIR. Hope this helps, and please, keep us updated on your progress. Cheers, Michael 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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trailriderj |
5. If you are lucky enough to have been to a cc clinicRE: horse that jigs
Jul 1 2009, 1:14 AM EDT
I just finished watching CC trail ride training. Its awsome. He addresses jigging in this segment as well. If you are lucky enough to have attened CC clinic then you probubly learned to quarter your horse side to side on the trail when the horse is jigging. also working around trees. But Id still go back to getting her respect on the ground first as Michael suggested. I know first hand that works.
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grassburners |
6. RE: If you are lucky enough to have been to a cc clinichorse that jigs
Jul 1 2009, 10:16 AM EDT
Thanks for your reply's. I do the quartering with her, I do everything he says. It all works with my other horses just not this one. I have been told that broodmares can be like that, exspecially a 13 yr old one. And everything else I've gone through with her this is really not surprising. I have also heard that broodmares are not much different than stallion the just don't have testicles, but they still have all the hormones. LOL. I guess I'll go back and start all over again with a little more attitude. Thanks
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7. RE: If you are lucky enough to have been to a cc clinichorse that jigs
Jul 5 2009, 8:04 AM EDT
One thing that has been told to me several times is that I don't get after my horse enough. I'm 6'5" and 240#, while I probably could hurt the horse as many of us could, there is a difference between abuse and training. We need to school ourselves on what that difference is. Abuse will lead to a horse who lacks trust and possibly act out towards the human. Training, through a series of goals and firm but fair activity will lead to a horse who respects the human and actually looks forward to working with the human..Firmness in training is critical, but so is the reward of release. Whenever the mare does something correctly, no matter how small, lay off her and give her relief, then get back into it again. Do set goals for training and achieve those goals everytime. If you only have 20 minutes to work with a horse, then your goal should be remedial work and not the introduction of new material. If you have all afternoon, then by all means introduce new material, but set your expectations and achieve them. If you have a goal in mind, it will keep you more focused and your horse will learn to respect you for it. Once you reach your goal, then you are done for the day. The worst thing you can do is push yourself and your horse into further training when you haven't set that goal ahead of time. Your horse is looking to you for leadership and without a plan or goal, you are just as blind as your horse. Good luck. Chris 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: If you are lucky enough to have been to a cc clinichorse that jigs
Jul 5 2009, 8:09 PM EDT
Consistency and patience. My TB/QTR did the same thing to me. Everytime he jigged, I halted and backed twice as far as he jigged then I would ask him to walk forward. Quietly, without getting frustrated or angry. I would let him committ to the mistake and then make the same correction every single time he did it. Not to give you false hope, it took 2 months but he finally gave it up. Some days I think we put more miles on backwards than we did forward! LOL There are times when he will still jig and I immediately revert to halting and backing only now he packs it in quickly. Good luck with your mare, remember to be consistent and patient.
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